Marvin Shilmer

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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

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  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Brown's mother reportedly accuses officer Wilson of lying and then says:

  "I know my son far too well, he would never [attack a cop], he would never provoke anyone to do anything to him, and he would never do anything to anybody."--(http://www.aol.com/article/2014/11/26/he-wanted-to-kill-michael-browns-mother-insists-ferguson-cop-darren-wilson-lying/20999457/?ncid=webmail1

  "[H]e would never to anything to anybody."

  That is self-delusion if I've ever observed it. How can a parent say something like that knowing perfectly well her son HAD in fact robbed a retail store AND threated violence to the poor shopkeeper?

  Why does her supporters let her say things like that when it flies in the face of demonstrable FACT?

  For the life of me I can't understand people like that. Not for the life of me.

  Grieving is fine and understandable. Denying what is right in front of your face is delusional.
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  What is gang dress? You said "a hoodie drawn over ones' face" (which I'm guessing is a loose hoodie worn inside?). That's not "gang dress." That's what people, in, say, Michigan, wear in the fall/spring. It's just that certain people are equated with "gangs" when they do it, and others are "casually going out."

  I responded to what you wrote.

  Take a closer look at your post 91 of 92 above.
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  The problem with your premise is that it's been proven that black people and white people wearing the same clothes or doing the same actions are viewed and reacted to differently.

  I've seen no proof--and you've offered none--suggesting a person who walks around dressed like a gang member will not be watched as a potential gang member regardless of skin color.

  If, and that's a BIG IF, you can provide evidence suggesting my premise is faulity then please provide it. I'd like to examine it for whatever it says.

  Why do you think gangs WEAR DISTINCTIVE GANG DRESS if not to TELL everyone THIS is what I am?

  I think you're transposing a relevantly dissimilar set of observations atop a completely different premise.
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Dammit it's so hard to lve in a culture where young thugs have the power.

  A culture that allows that to happen is responsible for that outcome.

  I see parents bickering with one of their children and then complaining about how their child bickers all the time. I have to ask myself, "Who is the adult in the room?" Children tend to grow up and act as their parents allow them to act. If a child finds his or her parent engages in bickering then the child has just learned that bicking is allowed, and then it continues.

  I see cultures that allow for thugs*. We all do! Guess what? If you allow it you're going to have it and it will only get worse.

  What folks grow up to become starts with what happens within the family unit. After that comes the immediate community a person identifies with and is embrace by. After this comes the greater community. Problem is, the greater community can only rarely undo what a family has allowed the development of and its closer community has reinforced by tolerance.

  Today I see more demonstrations just like I've seen a hundred times before. The greater community has changed over the years. But what has not changed is what is going on inside family units and closer communities where thuggary is allowed. The greater community can only do so much. At some point families have to CHANGE what they allow and closer communities have to STOP allowing things like thuggary. Otherwise the greater community will continue to grow and improve whilst a closer community inside that greater community languishes in yesteryears ditch.

  *thug: a person engaged in criminal violence or threat of criminal violence
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  I undersatnd your personal bias. You are most likely, white and middle class. 'Nuff said!

  Now that statement represents a clear-cut piece of racial generalization. It helps nothing.

  "I understand your personal bias. You are most likely black because my bias tells me blacks hold the bias I attribute to you."

  How does that work for whoever authored the statement quoted above?
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  I get your reasoning, ADCMS. But you didn't grow up in the 'projects'. You aren't followed in the grocery store by security. You have no concept of growing up in a place where you CAN'T get educated, where people see you and are instantly 'afraid' because you are of a darker colour.

  Behavior trumps race when it comes to how a person is treated by others, and security personnel in particular.

  A person walking around at night in a grocery store with a hoodie drawn over his or her face is going to get followed by security regardless of race. It won't matter whether the person is black or white, or lives in the projects or Beverly Hills.

  A person who walks around dressed like a gang member is going to be watched as a potential gang member. It won't matter whether the person is black or white, or lives in the projects or Beverly Hills.
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Here's a brief summation in case you missed it in Junior High.

  World History, Sara Watts http://users.wfu.edu/watts/w02_AfrAmer.html

  Designs,

  Okay. I read the short article you referenced. My questions to you remain:

  1. In historical terms, HOW was the manner in which European settlers expanded into territory new to them any different than HOW the then occupiers expanded into the same territory?

  2. In contemporary terms, WHO exactly are the “Masters” to which you refer? Elected officials? Someone else? WHO?

  Either you have responsible answers to those questions or you don't . Which is it?
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Raphael Lemkin worked with the concept we call Cultural Genocide which the UN incorporated in its 1948 Declaration on the Human Rights of Indigenous Peoples. Cultural genicode can preceed physical genocide, it can also be concurrent with the physical demolition of a race or races.

  The Americas were built on Cultural Genocide and Physical Genocide. The Indigenous peoples were declared the 'Thugs' of their day which was turned into justification for forced explusion from their very homes and lands. When the 'Savages' pushed back more physical explusion, relocation, and confinement was the response. Any attempt at being free again or to reclaim their own homes and lands was met again and again by physical genocide.

  After all how dare the actual original land owners be so uppity and want Equal Rights from their new Masters.

  Designs,

  I fail to see whatever point it is you think you’re making. If you have some point please express it plainly so readers don’t have to interpret meaning.

  1. In historical terms, HOW was the manner in which European settlers expanded into territory new to them any different than HOW the then occupiers expanded into the same territory?

  2. In contemporary terms, WHO exactly are the “Masters” to which you refer? Elected officials? Someone else? WHO?
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  Ferguson Situation reinforcing my family's delusions. Is it doing the same to yours?

  by Yondaime in

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  lol they keep saying that this is truly satans system and all that crap.how people in the world are so judgemental and crazy.. anyone else getting sick of this?.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Lol they keep saying that this is truly satans system and all that crap.How people in the world are so judgemental and crazy.

  Anyone else getting sick of this?

  I was out biking recently and encountered about a 25-year-old man with a flat tire. Everyone who came along wanted to help this man. I mean everyone. All these people were complete strangers to one another. But each saw a man in need and wanted to help. Every one of these folks pitched in something in the effort.

  These folks were of all races in the area. For sure it included several blacks and several whites, but other races were there too.

  Anyone want to guess the race of the man with the flat tire?

  There's lots of good in society. Lots of it.
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Its been just 66 years since a major decision was made regarding race in this country.

  Designs, what do you have in mind that has not already been done or tried?

  Specifically what "decision" can anyone make that will change the fact that if you steal you are likely to get arrested and if you assault someone you're likely to get hurt yourself and perhaps killed if you attack someone you know has capability to kill you.

  If you have specific remedy please spit it out in a good clear and concise sentence.